The Senate hearing for Howard Lutnick's Secretary of Commerce nomination was held yesterday. The Commerce Department does a lot of things, so much of the discussion involved issues outside of trade policy. I'm going to go through some of the items that jumped out at me as of most interest to this blog's readers: The CHIPS Act; the IRA; tariffs and unfairness; tariffs for non-trade purposes; opening foreign markets; and digital trade. I'll go through them one by one.
CHIPS Act
Trump has been critical of the CHIPS Act subsidies, and says he wants tariffs instead, so there's a real question about what will happen to these subsidies going forward. Several Democrats raised this issue with Lutnick:
Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA): ... Do you believe that the investments that we've made in the Chips and Science Act should be preserved?
Lutnick: I think they're an excellent down payment. As a structure, I think we need to get it right. I think we need to review them and get it right. But as the way the Congress has said it, it's an excellent down payment in our ability to bring semiconductor manufacturing back to America.
Cantwell: Okay, that's good to hear, because the President has said a little differently on that point. So good to hear.
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Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN): Senator Cantwell asked you about ... groundbreaking investments in chips and semiconductors ... And so I just want to follow up on her question ... if you are going to continue to operate the CHIPS program?
Lutnick: It is vital for America that we bring semiconductor manufacturing to the United States of America. We need domestic manufacturing. The CHIPS Act was an excellent down payment to begin that process. We need to study it, but we need to make sure that you get the benefit of the bargain and domestic manufacturing of semiconductors happens in America.
Klobuchar: Got it, but are you going to keep operating this because, as the Senator mentioned, there are funds that have to be distributed. There's work that has to be done coming out of that law.
Lutnick: Oh, I expect to do enormous work to make sure you get the benefit of the bargain, and we get the money out appropriately, correctly, and we build in America, that is vital. You've done it bipartisanly and I'm going to help execute that.
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Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA): On the CHIPS Act, over the past several years, the Commerce Department has worked quickly to issue grants under this program. Mr. Lutnick, will you commit to honor the CHIPS grant contracts that have been finalized?
Lutnick: I would have to read them and analyze them and understand them to commit to that.
My takeaway from these exchanges is that it is very unclear what the Trump administration will do with the CHIPS Act program. Their approach could turn out to be anything from "eliminate it entirely" to "slight tweaks."
IRA EV tax credits
Next up is the IRA EV tax credits. On this issue, you had a Republican Senator bashing it and Lutnick joining in the bashing:
Sen. Bernie Moreno (R-OH): Imagine a scenario in which you're a European car manufacturer, and you ship that car into America completely tariff free. It's a car that's extremely expensive, targeted at very wealthy people, but it happens to be an electric vehicle. I'll give the example of a Rolls-Royce Spectre, I'm sure you have lots of friends that have those. Fully electric Rolls-Royce vehicle. Can you imagine that the United States government subsidizes that car on leases to the tune of $7,500. Is that a good deal?
Lutnick: Are you joking?
Moreno: True story.
Lutnick: Okay, we have to end that. How about we end that now? How about we end that as fast as we possibly can. They should pay America an extra 7,500 bucks just for being that rich.
Moreno: Well, all of my Democratic colleagues voted for that bill. The inflation Reduction Act allows luxury European automobiles that aren't even remotely made in America to get $7,500 of their lease. Now imagine a Cadillac with a big, good old American V8 engine gets tariffed on the way to Europe, let alone being given a subsidy. Do you consider that to be a good example of tariff reciprocity with our allies?
Lutnick: Right? That is the example of the failed industrial policy of the United States of America. It's a failed industrial policy that needs to be changed, and needs to be changed now.
Based on this exchange, I don't think the future of IRA EV tax credits looks very bright. But we'll see how things play out. It's possible they will just undo the Biden administration's regulatory tweaks that let foreign manufacturers get the benefits through leasing, which would keep most of the program in place, while irritating many U.S. trading partners.
On another point, I've heard various complaints from Trump and others around him that Europeans won't buy American cars. One part of the problem -- although it is broader than just this -- is that some U.S. producers don't seem to want to tailor their products for foreign markets. Cadillacs with V8 engines are never going to be big sellers in Europe, so if they want to export U.S. autos there, they will need to make products Europeans want to buy.
Tariffs and fairness
On the issue of tariffs generally, Lutnick seems like a big fan, noting in particular that they should be used to counter the tariffs and similar measures of other countries:
Klobuchar: We talked about tariffs briefly, targeted or across the board. I gave you my preference toward targeted tariffs for our economy. Weigh in on that.
Lutnick: I prefer across the board. I think when you pick one product in Mexico, they'll pick one product. You know, we pick avocados, they pick white corn, we pick tomatoes, they pick yellow corn. All you're doing is picking on farmers, which is just not going to happen. My way of thinking, and I've discussed this with the President, is country by country, macro. Let America make it more fair. We are treated horribly by the global trading environment. They all have higher tariffs, non-tariff trade barriers and subsidies. They treat us poorly. We need to be treated better. We need to be treated with respect, and we can use tariffs to create reciprocity, fairness and respect.
It's interesting to hear U.S. officials point to the high tariffs, non-tariff trade barriers and subsidies of foreign governments. Over the past several decades, the U.S. has focused a lot of its trade negotiating attention on other issues, such as labor, environment, IP, and investment protection. If you made lower tariffs, NTBs, and subsidies a priority -- through negotiations and formal WTO/FTA complaints -- could you make progress here? I think you probably could. I'm not sure Lutnick is interested in this idea though, as he seems to want to achieve reciprocity by raising U.S. tariffs.
It's also worth noting that, just as there are people in the U.S. who think the world trading system is unfair to the U.S., there are lots of people (probably even more) in other parts of the world who think the system is unfair to them. Barriers to selling in the U.S. market are higher than many people in the U.S. realize, and some of the U.S. demands on foreign markets are considered to intrude too far into domestic sovereignty.
Tariffs for non-trade purposes
Just as Trump does, Lutnick appears to see tariffs as an all-purpose tool to pressure other countries on non-trade issues:
Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI): I know that tariffs are certainly a powerful and a positive tool that can be used, but they need to be used strategically. They need to be used thoughtfully, And that's why I called for 100% tariffs on Chinese vehicles last year, and why I'm going to continue to fight for aggressive trade policy when it comes to our relations with China. As a Senator for Michigan, I'm particularly focused on manufacturing. We know how to make things in Michigan, and I don't think you can be a great country if you don't actually make things. And that's what we do in my state. And I want to work with the administration to make sure we're growing that sector, as well as creating good paying jobs that result from manufacturing.
However, I am concerned that President Trump's plan to impose tariffs on on Canada and Mexico, or the rest of the world, in fact, it could be in a matter of days, is what what we are hearing, could hurt our manufacturers who do considerable trade back and forth, as we discussed in the office. Michigan is the home of two of the top three border crossings in North America. We're two of them. And a lot of our auto parts will go back and forth. It's a highly integrated industry, and our auto companies are very concerned about what those tariffs might mean to cost, particularly to the cost of vehicles. Already, something we discussed, I'm concerned about the high cost of vehicles. Many families can't afford them now, and if tariffs are put in place, that deal with that seamless trade that goes on with Canada, in the short run, could definitely have an impact on prices and make cars even more unaffordable. I don't think that's something the American people want to see, but I'm afraid it would hurt consumers as well as also hurt those workers.
So my question is, talk me through how those tariffs will be implemented, what you're thinking will happen there, and how it's going to have an impact on prices, particularly in the short term. I know what you're going to go on the long term, but all this stuff takes time, especially when it comes to manufacturing. It's not an industry that can turn on a dime. It's much more complicated, as I know you know.Lutnick: So the big tariff view is going to be studied. And the President launched that in an executive order where he asked the Commerce Department and the USTR to study the tariff model long term. The short term issue is illegal migration, and worse even still, fentanyl coming into this country and killing over 100,000 Americans. There's no war we could have that would kill 100,000 Americans. The President is focused on ending fentanyl coming into the country. You know that the labs in Canada are run by Mexican cartels.
So this tariff model is simply to shut their borders, ... respect America, if we are your biggest trading partner, show us the respect. Shut your border and end fentanyl coming into this country. So it is not a tariff per se. It is an action of domestic policy, shut your border and stop allowing fentanyl into our country, killing our people. So this is a separate tariff to create action from Mexico and action from Canada. And as far as I know, they are acting swiftly. And if they execute it, there will be no tariff. And if they don't, then there will be, but it's an action oriented model, that's not the ordinary tariff. The ordinary tariffs need to be studied and examined. And that would start, as the EO said, in April.
Peters: So that's a separate tariff. After that study, what would be the timeline of that?
Lutnick: I think that's sort of in April. Those studies will come out in the end of March and April, and then you'll hear about those at that time. So big macro issues with tariff are being studied, but the micro issue is Canada and Mexico and the precursors from China, they need to end and we need to protect our Americans from fentanyl and our trading partners in Canada and Mexico. They should end it and stop disrespecting us and allowing this come through our borders.
How well do tariffs and tariff threats work for these sorts of demands? I am skeptical of their effectiveness, but it seems like we will be accumulating a lot of data over the next couple years, and should be able to come to some firm conclusions.
Opening foreign markets
The Biden administration put relatively little effort into opening foreign markets. How will the Trump administration approach this? Lutnick sounded like he would be aggressive:
Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-WI): If confirmed, how will you work to advance America's agricultural and manufacturing industries, both at home and abroad?
Lutnick: I think our farmers and ranchers and fishermen are treated with disrespect overseas. Europe, for example, comes up with all these sort of policies that our ranchers can't sell steak. If you saw European steer and an American steer, it's laughable. The American steers are three times the size. The steaks are so much more beautiful. But they make up this nonsensical set of rules so that our ranchers can't sell there, our farmers can't sell there. It's nonsense, they don't like our fertilizer a little bit. We need to change those rules. We need to end the disrespect that our farmers, ranchers and fishermen have to suffer with. And that's one of the things that I am just really excited about. I am going to help our farmers, ranchers and fishermen be successful around the world. We are the best. Our farmers are the best, it is clear, and they need to be able to sell their wares around the world, and they need to help end the disrespect that they get elsewhere.
These issues have been going on for decades, of course, so it would be surprising to see a resolution now. With regard to European regulations, my suggestion here is for U.S. farmers and ranchers to focus their export goals on products tailored for the European market.
Digital trade
Lutnick said only one word in his digital trade answer:
Sen. Todd Young (D-IN): Let me turn to digital trade. Despite the strength of U.S. digital services, the previous administration abandoned U.S. leadership on digital trade. They reversed decades of bipartisan policy that promoted our digital exports. This includes withdrawing support for key digital trade provisions at the WTO, ignoring bipartisan congressional directives and leaving American companies vulnerable to discriminatory trade barriers and digital protectionism abroad. Mr. Lutnick, if confirmed, will you commit to restoring U.S. leadership and digital trade by advancing strong digital trade rules and prioritizing support for U.S. digital exports?
Lutnick: Yes.
The Biden administration seemed reluctant to press foreign governments on these issues, whereas I think the Trump administration is likely to be aggressive. But how exactly they will be aggressive remains to be seen. Will they participate in international fora? Or will just go unilateral?
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